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#1 2006-06-28 03:51 pm

Mike Schwindeller
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From: Wallingford
Registered: 2006-02-27
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MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

This should be pretty sweet...

First of all, we hope that everyone at Potlatch 2006 uses every available opportunity to check out all the incredible action that will take place on the centrally located MLU field.  You are going to love this!

________EVENT SCHEDULE_______

Saturday
9:00am - 10:45am       NE vs. SW
11:00am - 12:45pm     NW vs. SE
1:00pm - 2:45pm         NW vs. NE
3:00pm - 4:45pm         NE vs. SE
5:00pm - 7:00pm         NW vs. SW *Potlatch Showcase Game*

Sunday
9:00am - 10:45am        SW vs. SE
11:30am - 1:30pm        MLU Championship Game
Halftime of Potlatch Finals     Awards Ceremony


________NEW RULES________

While the official rules are too long to post here, you'll notice the
following significant changes from the traditional UPA Rules:

·      Up to 6 Refs making active calls for violations and fouls
·      Two 15-min halves
·      5-min overtimes
·      Time stops between points and for ref's whistles
·      Field Dimensions: 40 x 80 yards, w/ 20 yard end zones
·      2-point line at 20 yards up from the end zone line
·      4 foul limit (or 2 technical fouls)
·      7-second stall (counted silently by ref)
·      7-second delay-of-game (counted silently by ref)
·      60 seconds between points and for timeouts
·      Up to 2 substitutions allowed during timeouts
·      Penalty for Travels = O must stop, entire D gets to reset
·      Penalty for Picks = O must stop, entire D gets to reset
·      New Definition for Pick = Offense gets in way of Defense (D is
responsible for avoiding each other)


Email me at imm110 at yahoo dot com if you want to view a complete
version of the rules.


_______TEAM ROSTERS________


(Updated from last time, mainly due to injuries...)


Northwest Wolves

2       Roger Crafts
4       Ben Wiggins
5       Alex Nord
6       Aaron Richards
7       Mike Grant
9       Andrew Lugsdin
10      Moses Rifkin
12      Al Bob Nichols
14      Lou Burruss
17      Jeremy Cram
19      Jeff Cruickshank
25      Oscar Pottinger
31      Ron Kubalanza
42      Brian Snyder
44      Anthony Maley
91      Kirk Savage
96      Chase Sparling-Beckley


Northeast Nexus

00      Ricky Eikstadt
1       Tim Halt
2       Ryan Morgan
3       Joel Wooten
5       Dan Heckman
6       Dan Miller
7       Josh Ziperstein
8       Fortunat Mueller
9       Matt Wilken
11      Andrew Brown
22      Brian Stout
30      Kevin Kusy
38      John Hassell
42      Berend Van Heuvelen
71      Ian McClellan
81      Caner Cooperrider
89      J Dono


Southwest Entourage

1       Brandon Steets
3       Will Deaver
4       Jeff Eastham
5       Jim Schoettler
7       Hector Valdivia
9       Steven Rouisse
10      Adam Simon
11      Taylor Cascino
17      Jon Zalisk
19      Parker Krug
20      Josh Ackley
23      Mike Payne
24      Bart Watson
26      Mike Namkung
50      Beau Kittredge
60      Jolian Dahl
83      Greg Husak


Southeast Storm

1       Tim Gehret
4       Max Cook
9       Taylor Pope
11      John Hammond
12      Jared Inselmann
13      Matt Sewell
18      Mike Natenberg
19      Sean McCall
20      Kurt Gibson
22      Robbye Brooks
24      Dan DePaul
25      Crawford Shippey
27      Kevin Gaffney
31      AJ Tiarsmith
32      Josh Berkowitz
64      Jason Simpson
78      Dylan Tunnell


I hope you're all as excited as I am to see this great show!

Thanks to Patagonia for sponsoring a great deal of the jersey costs!
We're gonna look sharp, and we have Patagonia to thank!

Thanks to Ultivillage for filming and producing the first exclusive
Major League Ultimate DVD following the competition!

The official website (with all this information and more -- including
the full version of the rules) will be up shortly (I hope).

In the meantime, get ready to go to Potlatch and watch some premier
ultimate that will blow you away!

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#2 2006-06-29 09:45 am

leftydisc
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From: Seattle
Registered: 2006-05-10
Posts: 171

Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

Agreed, it will be sweet - I'm reffing every game so I get a ring-side seat!

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#3 2006-06-29 12:20 pm

appleshampoo
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Registered: 2006-05-10
Posts: 141

Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

Field Dimensions: 40 x 80 yards, w/ 20 yard end zones
2-point line at 20 yards up from the end zone line

20 yard end zones? lame...but I guess that's not a huge change, since the total length of the field is the same (end line to end line).

But the 2-point line is a huge change...this could significantly change strategy and makes for some big comebacks.  Hmmm...

7-second stall (counted silently by ref)

This seems suspect...everyone will have to keep track in their head where the stall count is.  Although I suppose it's the same way in basketball.


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#4 2006-06-29 01:18 pm

leftydisc
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

appleshampoo :

20 yard end zones? lame...

not too different from many league games around here

appleshampoo :

7-second stall (counted silently by ref)

This seems suspect...everyone will have to keep track in their head where the stall count is.

Refs announce initiation of stall count, keep track silently basketball ref-style with arm, blowing whistle if stall count violation.  The big adjustment will be for markers to stop initiating the stall count themselves.

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#5 2006-06-29 01:57 pm

MRB
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

leftydisc :

Refs announce initiation of stall count, keep track silently basketball ref-style with arm, blowing whistle if stall count violation.  The big adjustment will be for markers to stop initiating the stall count themselves.

Could a defender still count the stall? could they count intentionally slowly in order to confuse the offensive player (ie, the stall-7 whistle blowing will the marker counts 5?)

Akin to Alex's old question, can a cutter cutting break-side yell "strike"?

 

#6 2006-06-29 02:12 pm

leftydisc
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From: Seattle
Registered: 2006-05-10
Posts: 171

Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

MRB :

Could a defender still count the stall? could they count intentionally slowly in order to confuse the offensive player (ie, the stall-7 whistle blowing will the marker counts 5?)

Akin to Alex's old question, can a cutter cutting break-side yell "strike"?

(quickly consulting my MLB rule book) In the supplemental guidelines under "FOULS:  FLAGRANT - UN-SPORTSMANLIKE":  "[un-sportsmanlike conduct ]... consists of acts of deceit, disrespect of officials [or] profanity... [and] the penalty for such action is a technical foul."

Hard to say whether the player is doing it intentially or not so probably a judgement call by the ref on whether to assess a technical - I'd issue a warning first, reminding the player that deceit is un-sportsmanlike and any further instances would be assessed a tech.

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#7 2006-06-29 03:41 pm

bryan
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

Mike Schwindeller :

This should be pretty sweet...
·      Two 15-min halves

Whu....?!?  Is that really enough game time?

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#8 2006-06-29 03:58 pm

leftydisc
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From: Seattle
Registered: 2006-05-10
Posts: 171

Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

bryan :

Mike Schwindeller :

This should be pretty sweet...
·      Two 15-min halves

Whu....?!?  Is that really enough game time?

That's 15mins of actual game time, not including stoppages for timeouts, fouls/violations, time between goal & receipt of pull, or any other suspension of play.  I still think 20mins might be better but this is a work in progress and we'll see how it works.

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#9 2006-06-29 05:25 pm

manzell
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

I predict no game will reach 15 goals for the winning team.
I predict the Northwest will win every game.
I predict that the team that goes up by two goals will win 100% of the time.
I predict that teams that are behind will NEVER play a zone regardless of wind conditions.


"This is why I'm hot."

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#10 2006-07-03 03:13 pm

bryan
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

So... maybe a better question is, Why change to a time-based format at all?  Play to 15 (or 13) has been working for years upon years.  And if we really need to cap games at a certain time, there's still that option.

If ain't broke, don't fix it.

So, that being said... how did it work out?

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#11 2006-07-03 03:47 pm

appleshampoo
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Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

leftydisc :

The big adjustment will be for markers to stop initiating the stall count themselves.

That was actually what I was getting at, didn't write it for some reason though.  I am also curious as to how it went.  I was at Potlatch but didn't see any of the MLU games.


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#12 2006-07-03 04:29 pm

Mike Schwindeller
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From: Wallingford
Registered: 2006-02-27
Posts: 15

Re: MLU Info from rec.sport.disc

I believe that the intent of MLU was to create a version of ultimate that would be commercially viable.  This was a good first take.  The refs need more training.  (including confidence, and better announcing of calls)  In the parts of games that I was able to watch, most of the refs felt the need to confer with the other refs on most calls.  Many times players not involved in the play would move towards the refs to find out what the call was.  I'm curious if people think that players should still be able to make their own calls in addition to the ref’s calls.  I heard that only one player fouled out of a game with 4 fouls.  The word is that they will change this to only 3 fouls.

The two point line seemed to change the game a little too much.  Defense was very lax until after the line and then it adjusted once the disc was past that.  I don't think that the line adds anything to the game.  In fact, I think it takes away the motivation and hustle for a deep pull and to trap teams with great D deep in their own endzone.

I'd love to hear other people's opinions. (especially the players....Sammy?)  How did the other players feel about the new version of the game and the potential of the league?

Here's a link to what one of the Ref's comments on the weekend....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.spor … 5075a5e0e1

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